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Life after death, and after that

Mon May 18, 2009, 5:12 AM
I suppose it depends on your interpretation of ‘sprit’: if you see it as your conscious self, merely lacking in a physical manifestation (at least in our perceived dimensions), then it’s up to the individual whether they believe in heaven or hell or reincarnation. Although, I suppose that also depends on your interpretation of reincarnation, because if someone is reincarnated with what might be called ‘baby amnesia’ one could debate whether YOU (as in your own conscious self) are reincarnated at all. The only possible way of getting round that problem would be to suggest that one’s self is not just conscious, but instead, the spirit is a type of energy, which is passed from generation to generation, with the current incarnation being unaware of the previous.

This leads me comfortably to what I think: I don’t believe in a existential conscience after death; I think when you die, that’s it for you as something that can directly influence others around you. However, the Platonic / Socratic concept of the preservation of intellect between interconnected generations is an intriguing prospect: I think that your actions in life echo in eternity (subtle film reference) through the people you have met and influenced. This idea also borrows something from the ancient Greek ‘timé’ (I think I’ve spelt that right), which means at the most fundamental level, that a warrior’s legacy is affected by their death; for example, in Homer’s The Iliad, Achilles has the option of dying on the battlefield and living for ever, or going home to his family and living to an old age with his lovey-dovey wife, before dying and loosing his existence in eternity.

We see alternating mixtures of the concepts of the eternal, the eternally contextual and the manifestation of ‘the afterlife’ all the time in stories: The Matrix, , Sunshine, Gladiator, Life of Pi, The Inferno, The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, The Bible and zillions of poems. I suppose this is because it all ties in (in one way or another) with chaos theory and Dante’s ideas on the natural chaos of life being restored by hate and love; by acting in a certain way towards someone else, however subtle – maybe you only say a few words to them in your entire life – you affect them in one way or another, most likely at an unconscious level (I know that’s a bit of a cop-out, but if Freud can get away with, I can!).

Of course, the best bit about this ethos is its fundamental parallels with science, and more specifically thermodynamics, quantum mechanics and general relativity: The Conservation of Energy. Why can’t we expand this to include a conservation of ‘spiritual’ energy? (I know Einstein is probably turning in his grave, and all you physics undergraduates out there are trying to find the heaviest object to throw in my general direction, but this is fun, so I’m just going to run with it). I don’t mean conscious spiritual energy (i.e. that heaven and hell stuff), but with a large enough base of believers, one common idea can become ‘alive’ in the sense that it is pushed and pulled by enough interpretations to become almost conscious of its self. Some say the internet is beginning to display signs of this, in that is its own community of knowledge, which is divided up into sections much in the same way that the human brain assigns different areas for different tasks. Again, this is observed with the fractioning of belief systems like Christianity.

So. In death, your brain stops working, time becomes infinite to you and the natural level of degeneration that has been happening since you were born soars upwards until you cease to exist. But its up to you at the present whether you see this as a physical degeneration or a gradual watering down of the effects you had on others, until the human race ceases to exist.


[This was a little musing I had a while ago, I haven't rechecked everything, and didn't while I was writing it. So the facts might be a little off, but the essence still remains. Please respond with any comments - I'd be thrilled to hear other ideas]

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  • Watching: Jurassic Park
  • Playing: Hide and Seek
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:icontoffee-spider:
Hi, you ok?

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:icontoffee-spider:
Hey :) don't worry about not replying,I don't think I sent anything either for the last few weeks. And I don't even have the excuse of uni work! Thank you for the "art work oozing out of my ears" compliment :) although thats a strange thought. I might draw it sometime. lol

Do you mean you've nearly finished at uni? Or nearly finished this year?

And you are welcome to borrow anything I say. I'm happy to be a source of inspiration :thanks:
Was the monopole article in the New Scientist? Because I've been meaning to read it and havnt got round to it yet... its on the kitchen table at home anyway, might have a look tonight.

I was thinking about what you said about the image with a finger pointing at the camera. It's a difficult shot to get- I would either have to set up the camera on a stand with the timer on (in which case focusing is difficult) or get somebody else to help,so I could photograph their finger. Otherwise I can't get the angle and the focus right. I'm working on it though :aww:
And I understand the creative thoughts avalanche thing- as soon as I dont have time for art it's exactly what i want to be doing!

I'd noticed you were from the North East too-pretty unlikely considering I can end up on the pages of people from Turkey or Russia- I am from really quite far North though :) But not quite Scotland. Are you originally from up here or are you just at university here?

Oh and by the way,I'm sorry if my sentences end up in a funny order when I write them. I used to be good at English but I havnt written anything bigger than a few paragraphs for 2 years now! Thats probably something I shouldworkon...(thespacebarhasbroken)ha

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:iconquestionmarkorjohn:
Hi! Alright, I’ve come up with this idea for a story from what you said about the figure, as well as physicsy shenanigans in general: It’s 2060, quantum computers are the norm, and the internet is bulging at the seems with information that it can now collect and request its self (a bit like a very demanding wikipedia). The story is narrated by two protagonists; the internet its self, as it gets ever-close to a grand unified theory, while trying to convey new emotions it doesn’t understand with the outside – humans. The second narrator is going to be a member of a new religion centred around the internet, which they regard as an omnipotent, conscious God (something that could, in theory be a valid argument due to its vast knowledge of the universe and mankind). Not quite sure where to go with it, but I’ve got quite a lot of spare time – I’ve currently got two other ideas – one is a short story about a child who builds a shed with his father, and the shed mysteriously disappears in the night, the other is about two schizophrenics. So I’ve got a lot to do! Don’t know which one to work on first though.

Yeah, the monopole was here: [link] In fact, I was thinking of incorporation it into the story I just described – maybe some future machine can stimulate the movement of the monopole around a circuit, reading the polarities of certain ions as the ‘qubits’.

For that shot, you could try arranging a complex series of mirrors to look through the viewfinder. That’d be a right laugh.

I’ve just finished my first year at Leeds Uni but am originally from York so I didn’t stray far – just close enough to pop home when I need some washing doing haha. Are you thinking about uni?

You’re writing’s perfectly fine – I’ve got a mathsy friend who wouldn’t know a properly constructed sentence if I stapled one to his forehead. Gutted about the broken space bar though – my ‘F’ went kaput for a few days the other week but I gave it some fairly heavy poking and it was fine.

By the way you have an amazing taste in films! I’m a bit of a film-buff, so I instinctively judge someone by their choice of film.
:icontoffee-spider:
Oops. Slightly over did it on the smiley faces... sorry

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:icontoffee-spider:
Hello :)
Finally got round to writing a reply!
I can see the internet forming the basis to a new religion, I'm sure I was talking to my brother about something similar just the other day (and also about a belief in only eating raw food, which I'll explain later!)- the internet is such a mass of knowledge and apparent life, its almost difficult to see it as just a manmade network. I can imagine it starting to work for itself.

As for the only eating raw food, we decided that if you were to only eat food that has been cooked, then eventually every particle you are made of has been cooked at some point- so effectively you have been cooked. Which seemed a bit strange.
I'm sure that wouldn't technically be true anyway.

I'm pretty sure you could make something interesting from your first idea, there seems to be lots of directions you could go with that one.

I also really love the idea about the shed- I have no idea where its going but it has the right sort of atmosphere about it for a good story! :)

Hmm...If you pick a number between 1 and 3 then I'll tell you which one of the stories to start on first =P


I'll be the same if I get the place I've applied for at Newcastle University- I applied to ones all round the country, but ended up with offers from Newcastle and Edinburgh, the two closest. I don't mind though, at least I know my way round the city already. What course are you doing? I don't think I asked you that yet.

Erm I'm glad you think my writing is ok, mostly because I wouldn't enjoy the alternative- a sentence stapled to my forehead =P I put a staple in my thumb once and that was bad enough!

:) oh and the space bar was on a school computer. I think somebody had sat on it or something because it was seriously dodgy. I'm at home now and this one works fine. I'm sure you could tell that by all the lovely spaces between words :)

And finally thank you, I don't get to watch many films, but I seem to be lucky in the ones I pick to watch. Glad you approve! x

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:icontoffee-spider:
im not ignoring you by the way. i will reply very very soon :) promise. exam on friday, but after that i have a few days free. x

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:icontoffee-spider:
I'm sorry I didnt reply for ages, I'm now starting to wonder whether I maybe did send a reply and then forgot about it :hmm:
I havn't seen The Usual Suspects, but I will take your reccommendation and put it with the list of other things I need to watch at some point :) its quite a long list!

I agree, space is brilliant, but I like physics, so I would say that.. :)
In a way you cant prove that anything exists. Because you know it does, but then again, do you even exist? (not you in particular by the way) I started thinking about that the other day when my physics teacher said that you "never actually touch anything", apparently you only feel the repulsion between the electrons on the atoms of that object, and the electrons on your skin.

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:iconquestionmarkorjohn:
Hi
Sorry I've been really busy with Uni work recently, just about to finish though so it's plane sailing from next Monday.

That's really interesting what you say about not really touching things; I was just reading about a newly discovered ‘monopole’ molecule and how apparently the molecules of the solid behave similarly to liquid or gas under varying temperatures because of a ‘wandering pole’ caused by an ion flipping around in the wrong direction. Well I thought it was interesting haha.

Anyway, I had an idea for a poem based on what you said and was meaning to ask if you would mind me ‘borrowing’ it.

I’ve just been looking at your other account and noticed we're both from the North East! Haha. What are the chances of that?
:icontoffee-spider:
Hey :) thanks for all the favourites. x

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